Showing posts with label Tea Party. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Tea Party. Show all posts

Thursday, September 2, 2010

Beck's "Restoring Honor"- Just Another Tea Party Rally

Many say it wasn't overtly political. Kind of funny when you see Palin's speaking. That makes it political right there. Beck's got this 9/12 project that is a Tea Party offshoot. That's political. There were very broad and general topics thrown about like honor and patriotism and Christianity, but I didn't hear enough thoughtful Bible study to remotely consider it a religious event in any way, shape or form. And when you consider who the "we" is that was used at the event, you see it means Tea Party or conservative, not Christians.

I was expecting typical Glenn Beck myself. We didn't really see that. But to say it wasn't political isn't honest. It's been criticized (and I agree) as offensive- a bunch of white people gathering on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of the "I Have a Dream" speech to restore honor or take America back or something of that nature. As though Obama was the one who caused us to lose honor. Which would fit with the Glenn Beck model. And who lost America so they have to take it back. Obviously they aren't including Democrats in their all-inclusive apolitical "Christian" honor fest.


On Anderson Cooper, there was a Tea Party blogger and a guy from the left. I forget who he was. He belittled Christians and that didn't sit well with me. He was one who voiced the criticism above and she jumped on him saying sure he'd been to other events, but was he there to verify that every person was white. She seemed to imply that this was a Tea Party event. Hmmm. The Tea Party is very sensitive about stepping up and saying who they are and claiming events. You know- no single person's responsible for the event, everyone just comes out because they care about America and values; they aren't any particular party (even though they probably are conservative)- just Americans. Unity is great, but when you don't in fact all believe the same things, it's a lie or dishonest or just not descriptive. The group that gathered with Beck was probably all unified, but do all Americans believe that way? No way.

The message. Our rights come from a higher power. I agree. The coded message, however, was that to get back to our roots and values we have to elect Tea Party people. Here, I begin to disagree and get suspicious. The typical themes of supporting troops and fighting wars equals patriotism and freedom and values were addressed. The theme was supposedly to turn back to God and the values on which the country was founded. On the surface, a noble thing, but when you consider the source and audience, due diligence is needed. More decoding. Conservatives are (re)claiming the founding fathers and God as their own. I disagree. You must get a law/amendment/court decision banning abortion and gay marriage to be a good Christian and America- forget the other stuff the Bible says. The rub seems to be more of a political one rather than a religious one - do you think government shouldn't or shouldn't help people, gaining political power by singling out a few sins, etc. I don't know that I'll go into that since I have written quite a few posts on this issue.

Much was made of how many people were there. Beck seemed quite proud of himself as he strutted around delivering his "message." I tend to think if this wasn't intended as a political stunt or movement (Tea Party) then it was another publicity stunt because he can't get enough of himself, as if being infamous and having your own show isn't enough.

Maybe, though, the guy is turning over a new leaf. Maybe he will think about God as he yells at people and calls Obama racist and all the other offensive things. If he's trying to clean up the image (Restore Honor to himself?) by putting on this event, then goes back to his old show antics, then the rally really was a joke. Or maybe, he will actually tone himself down and be respectful and start to have meaningful discussions on his show.

Palin, another speaker at the event, certainly seemed to be trying to redeem herself - "Say what you want to say about me, but I raised a combat vet and you can't take that away from me." Isn't that stealing honor? Saying a bunch of bigoted, offensive things then borrow you son's honor? That doesn't seem fair.


Some links:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/30/glenn.beck.rally.monday/index.html


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/27/AR2010082704860.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/28/thousands-expected-glenn-beck-rally-civil-rights-leaders-protest-event/


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Pictures:

The rally-goers were told not to bring signs. If it was religious and not political, I wonder why this had to be emphasized? Hmmm. They may not have brought signs on sticks, but, boy, did they wear them.

One of them is a Tea Party shirt about “Reclaiming America.” This, I believe, ties to the “Restoring Honor.” Who stole it, praytell? You guessed it! The liberals, socialists, and all those people who won’t forward those emails about how Obama wasn’t born here, Muslims can’t make good Americans, Obama’s a Muslim, Obama’s Hitler, etc. What’s the difference, anyway? Obama's a closet Muslim and Democrats are socialists, which makes Obama a virtual axis of evil, doesn't it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/glenn-becks-restoring-hon_2_n_698834.html#s132392


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The same weekend as the rally, he says he shouldn’t have called Obama a racist. He doesn’t want to retract, but amend… Obama's not a racist, but a Christian who believes in liberation theology (Another attempt to say he's not really Christian).

"He is a guy who understands the world through liberation theology -- which is
oppressor and victim."


I think perhaps we need a few more leaders who understand the victim's point of view, myself (but not morally crippled by it like Israel).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100829/pl_yblog_upshot/glenn-beck-regrets-calling-obama-a-racist


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Beck smears Obama’s daughter- May 28, 2010

This came probably as Beck was preparing his “return to God” rally. I realize no one’s perfect, but the amount of sludge that spews forth from this guy’s mouth is astounding, which makes the return to God theme more than a little suspect.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005280025

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He deliberately people misleads about Obama’s faith. When Obama used the phrase “submitted to His will” Beck attacked and translated that as Islam. What Christian hasn't submitted to the will of God?? Are we all Muslims, then? That’s a complete lie that he’s continuing to propagate and disseminate, showing no regard for truth or accuracy. That’s what Beck’s show is about. Will this change after the rally? Will he apologize for the tone of his show since America is turning back to God on 8/28? Maybe this excludes him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600150,00.html

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Glen Beck attacked Obama for so-called “collective salvation” remarks as evidence that he’s not Christian. And that sets him up nicely to be "slammed" as a Muslim- and I say it like that because we in this country have recently shown that we don’t think much of Muslims (Park 51 and the infamous survey done just before that about how many think Obama’s a Muslim). And the right has an even bigger problem with them, the survey shows.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/200/43036/


Some articles called this "collective salvation" a perversion of Christianity. Interesting criticism coming from Beck, a Mormon, a religion with a whole entire book of these such doctrines. Which brings me to another interesting thing. Beck is Mormon, and talks about his faith (in general) a lot and held a rally to show people how Christian he is. Obama doesn't talk about it much in the way Bush and Beck did/do, but talks about community service and getting health care to more people and appears quick to listen and slow to anger, among other things. Given how much and what Beck does say, I wonder why people would think Beck is a Christian and not be sure of Obama.

Now, I took the collective salvation comments to mean that as a Christian, my salvation depends on helping people in need. This is true. My help could be their physical salvation, in a way. Or if you aren’t a Christian (Obama was appealing to a larger, more general audience?), helping others still makes you feel good and so it could work that way as well. I don’t think Obama was arguing for a religious doctrine of collective salvation. Actually, some on the right talk more about this. I have heard some say that if we don’t ban abortion and gay marriage God won’t look favorably on our nation. Sounds like collective salvation to me. Why these two sins and not others? I give up.

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Beck on Obama and Hitler: He’s not comparing them, but…

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908120017

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Aha! That Obama-Hitler email I blasted not long ago. It came from a Beck follower. Should have guessed! Same phrase is used- “banana republic dictator.”

Beck suggests what Obama is doing is not "American," likens him to a "wannabe Third World banana republic dictator"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201008200016

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Beck makes a big deal about Obama not taking the oath of office on a Bible, pretended to verify that all other presidents had, and was sorely mistaken as Teddy Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, and John Quincy Adams didn't use Bibles, either. As the Bible says let your yes be yes and no be no, I (and many Christians) may have to take a pass as well. Or "affirm" rather than swear if that is an option. I mean, what's Beck saying here? That Obama's not Christian? That he's not American? That his oath didn't count? The implication is that he's not Christian or doesn't like the Bible.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/122063/not_only_is_fox%27s_glenn_beck_a_bigot,_he%27s_also_a_lunatic/


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The rally either was in fact political, or we should see a real change in Beck's show and attitude after this "change point" as Palin not-so-eloquently put it at the rally.


I know that many of us today, we are worried about what we face. Sometimes, our challenges, they just seem insurmountable. But here together, at the crossroads of our history, may this day, may this day be the change point. Look around you. You are not alone. You are Americans!

--Sarah Palin


Not political? In her comments are absolutely political, here. Religious revival? Hardly. She is talking about the economic situation and possibly the fact that Republicans "lost control of the White House" and now feel unrepresented (as I did for 8 long years with W). The message that this Tea Party contingent are the "real America" is 100% a political theme - a negative and false one at that.



Wednesday, July 14, 2010

Tea Party, Hitler, and Obama...

Tea Party activists fund sign linking Obama to Hitler
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us+canada-10636746

"It's going to make people think that the Tea Party is full of a bunch of right-wing fringe people..."

Absolutely! Wonder why... For a few more reasons that people think this, see the link at the bottom...

"When you compare Obama to Hitler, that to me does a disservice to the Jews who both survived and died in the Holocaust and to the Germans who lived under Nazi regime rule,"

I kind of thought this a little funny in that the first thing that came to mind was that it was disrespectful to Jews...... but apparently not to Obama? Maybe the reporter forgot to include how the woman thought it wasn't a valid comparison or didn't like to see an American President disrespected that way. Or maybe she thinks it is a valid comparison and not at all disrespectful to Obama?


There is apparently a Coffee Party that calls for more civility and more substance (I interpret this as- no birthers, Obama is a dictator, etc talk). Interesting concept. Much like the Tea Party- love the drink, but don't think I'll be attending any Tea or Coffee Parties.


Here's my other post on this interesting group:
http://notanotherpoliticalblog-j.blogspot.com/2010/02/tea-party-but-not-fun-kind.html



Thursday, February 11, 2010

Tea Party, but not the fun kind.

We will occasionally have a tea party with the kids and everyone loves those, but that's not what I'm talking about, here...


From Tea Party Nation website:

Who are we? Our members have joined us from all over the nation, from every state and even from foreign countries!

Tea Party Nation (or TPN) is a user-driven group of like-minded people who desire our God given Individual Freedoms which were written out by the Founding Fathers. We believe in Limited Government, Free Speech, the 2nd Amendment, our Military, Secure Borders and our Country!

Please join us, make and form strong bonds, network, and make plans for action. We are doing what we could not do alone, to preserve that which we value.

http://www.teapartynation.com/



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What is the tea party movement? It seems to be a far right fiscal conservative movement given the name and fact that it started around tax time, but what is the goal? Are they a real revolution or lunatic fringe?

It seems to want to remain leaderless and not affiliated with a party, but I don’t think either of those are a success.


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Some issues, comments, questions about the movement:

Why do the tea party thing when you’ve got Steinhouser’s FreedomWorks whose goal is ‘Lower Taxes, Less Government, More Freedom’ ? Is it not anti-Obama enough for them? In an interview, the representative from that group seemed far more reasonable than what I've heard from the tea party elites and supporters.

Once it went national, doesn’t that mean it isn’t grass-roots?

Tea Party Nation is for profit

Tickets are $549 and $349- lobster and steak on the menu
(kind of funny since there was some Obama bashing at this gathering and during the campaign, some Republicans said Michelle had room service deliver lobster and caviar for over $500- NY Post retracted the story after it was found to be totally false.)

Said to have no leader/head; it’s about everyone- Judson Phillips seems be, though. It’s not like everyone just sent out a text message and met all together.

“Not having a leader”- is it populist or is it just an easy way out when you invite people and they say something (crazy) that’s either not in the scope of the event or that could hurt momentum or seriously bigoted that makes all look bad

They claim that their voice is not being heard and the democracy is not working. I’d give them that if the popular vote didn’t match the electoral college result. I think we all feel that way. I think my post about Sabato’s book provides better suggestions (Sabato’s suggestions, not mine). The tea partiers are all about getting a conservative in the White House; Sabato outlines some real fundamental changes.


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Here are some interesting (as in offensive) points I heard in reports about this tea party convention:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/05/tea.party.convention/index.html


Tom Tancredo said and Judson Phillips agrees:
"people who could not even spell the word 'vote', or say it in English, put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House.

(also mentioned literacy tests- possibly in a Spanish accent (???)- which incidentally were once used to keep blacks from voting… he claims to have meant more of a civics literacy test...hmm)

In another bit of irony- Sarah Palin wrote notes on her hand. She poked fun of Obama’s teleprompter during the campaign.

Phillips added that he thinks "Tancredo doesn't feel like a lot of people who supported Barack Obama understand the basics of this country."
This (condescendingly) echoes exactly what a McCain supporter (equally condescendingly) emailed me when I responded (replied all) to a ‘don’t vote for Obama unless you hate America, freedom and don’t want planet Earth to implode!’- type email I got during the campaign. If you only knew or were educated, then you wouldn’t vote for him- as though I didn’t do research or wasn’t educated.

I looked at that email again and had forgotten someone I am related to told me to wake up and stop drinking the Kool Aid- Obama’s a Muslim, not born in this country, a socialist, friend of terrorists, and a few other myths. I’m crazy for not believing already debunked myths!

Anyway…

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Tancerdo also talked about "Islamification" and the "cult of multiculturalism"

I heard this but have yet to get a reference to see what the deal was. I still don’t see what is so evil about respecting other cultures. And sorry, the US is not being “Islamified.” Whatever that means.

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Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily was a speaker at the convention and spent a quarter of his speech on birther “questions” (Still, people? Really?) This kind of thing delegitimizes the movement IMO by promoting these urban legends, previously debunked myths and such.

http://washingtonindependent.com/75949/birther-speaker-takes-heat-at-tea-party-convention

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Objectionable placards- don’t know that it needs much comment…
On the Diane Rehm Show about the Tea Party movement, Phillips said he didn’t see anything offensive except from one Democrat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html


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Friday's planned sessions at the Convention featured such titles as "Defeating Liberalism Via the Primary Process" and "Why Christians Must Engage."

Good title in the latter, but I can only suspect that it is about getting conservatives elected, not about actually governing in a Godly manner or behaving in a Godly manner toward the President and Democrats as well as those we agree with.

A Saturday Session: Speaker, ANA PUIG-“Correlations between the current Administration and Marxist Dictators of Latin America”

I’m only going to say: ??????


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Sites weighing in on the Tea Party Movement:

http://wamu.org/programs/dr/10/02/09.php

Great points are made and Diane Rehm tames unruly guests in her tea party feature. One guest points out similar movements throughout history. Another interesting point is made about Republican (and Focus on the Family) control Colorado Springs

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123221091&ft=1&f=1014


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/06/sarah-palin-goes-obama-tea-party-convention/




Tea Party the movie was featured at the convention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHJ6dSyohCc

Polls about how people feel about the tea party movement:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-zogby/boiling-tea_b_451306.html